Monday, December 15, 2014

Bible Study 12.14.14: "Begotten not Made"?


The Origin of the Son of God vs the Incarnation of “God the Son”

 

Ray Brown, Birth of the Messiah: “In Luke 1.35 the begetting is not quasi-sexual as if God takes the place of a male principle in mating with Mary. There is more of a connotation to creativity. Mary is not barren, and in her case the child does not come into existence because God cooperates with the husband’s generative action and removes the sterility. Rather, Mary is a virgin who has not known man, and therefore the child is totally God’s work—a new creation…And this double expression of God’s activity makes it clear that when the child is called “holy” and “Son of God”, these designations are true to what he is and to his origins.”

Fitzmyer, The Gospel According to Luke: “The idea of Incarnation is foreign to Luke, as to Matthew. [In Luke 1.35] ‘Therefore (dio kai)’ expresses a causal connection between the virginal conception and the divine Sonship. It is another indication that Luke does not have a notion of Jesus’ preexistence.”

J.D.G. Dunn, Christology in the Making: “In his birth narrative Luke is more explicit than Matthew in his assertion of Jesus’ divine sonship from birth [1.32-35; 2.49]…it is sufficiently clear that it is a begetting, a becoming, which is in view, the coming into existence of one who will be called and will in fact be the Son of God—not by the transition of a preexistent being to become the soul of a human baby or the metamorphosis of a divine Being into a human fetus…Similarly in Acts there is no sign of any Christology of pre-existence.”

D. Hare, Matthew, Interpretation: “Not only was [Matthew] referred to among Greek-speaking Jews as Genesis but also his phrase ‘the book of the genesis of Jesus Christ’ is strongly reminiscent of the Greek version of Gen 5.1, ‘the book of the genesis of human beings’, and Gen 2.4, ‘the book of the genesis of heaven and earth’…in Jesus Christ, God had made a new beginning. To borrow from the language of Hollywood, the First Gospel could be billed as ‘Genesis II, the Sequel’.”

W.B. Tatum: “Now the origin of Jesus Messiah was thus” (1.18a). Following these words, the First Evangelist demonstrates that the circumstance surrounding Jesus’ origin—both genealogical (1.18b-25) and geographical (2.1-4.16)—are in fulfillment of OT prophecies about the Davidic Messiah.”

N.H. Snaith, The Distinctive Ideas of the Old Testament: “Neither Catholic nor Protestant theology is based on Biblical theology. In each case we have a domination of Christian theology by Greek thought."
 

So What Happened?

“The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose.” Hermas, Similitudes, V.6.5.

“For just as, when John says, The Word was made flesh, John 1.14 we understand the Spirit also in the mention of the Word.” Tertullian, Praxeas, Ch 26.

“The Word and Son of God…enters into a virgin; being the Holy Spirit…He us endued with flesh; God is mingled with man.” Cyprian, Idol. Treatise 6.

“The Holy Ghost, descending from above, hallowed the Virgin's womb, and…mingled Himself with the fleshly nature of man...” Hilary, On Trinity, 2.26.

“There is one only physician, of flesh and of spirit, generate and ingenerate, God in man…Son of Mary and Son of God, first created and then uncreated, Jesus Christ our Lord.” Ignatius, Eph. 7:2

“Christ the Lord who saved us, being first spirit, then became flesh…” 2 Clement 9.5.

Athanasius, The Incarnation. “Just as the astronaut, in order to operate [in space] puts on an elaborate space-suit which enables him to live and act in this new, unfamiliar environment, so the Logos put on a body which enabled him to behave as a human being among human beings. But his relation to this body is no closer than that of an astronaut to his space-suit.”

On First Principles, Origen described Jesus as “the only-begotten Son, who was born, but without any beginning…His generation is eternal and everlasting. It was not by receiving the breath of life that he is made a Son, by any outward act, but by God’s own nature.”

Hence Wilberforce: “Origen introduced the phrase ‘the Son’s eternal generation’” and W. Pannenberg, Systematic Theology: “Only with Origen’s doctrine of the eternal begetting of the Son did the concept emerge of an eternal trinity in God.”

Complete WordStudy Dictionary: “The designation of this relationship by words with a temporal notion [“this day have I begotten you”, Ps 2.7] has troubled theologians, who have proffered various explanations. Origen understood this as referring to the Son's relationship within the Trinity and was the first to propose the concept of eternal generation.”

J.O. Buswell Jr. “The notion that the Son was begotten by the Father in eternity past, not as an event, but as an inexplicable relationship, has been accepted and carried along in the Christian theology since the 4th-century. We have examined all the instances in which ‘begotten’ or ‘born’ or related words are applied to Christ, and we can say with confidence that the Bible has nothing whatsoever to say about ‘begetting’ as an eternal relationship between the Father and the Son.”

Adam Clarke: “the doctrine of the eternal Sonship of Christ is, in my opinion, anti-scriptural, and highly dangerous…To say that he was begotten from all eternity, is, in my opinion, absurd; and the phrase eternal Son is a positive self-contradiction.”  

Cut to: Christ-Mass
The New Encyclopedia Britannica, v. 13, 15th ed. 1990: “Christian festival celebrated on December 25, commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ and also a popular secular holiday…was celebrated in Rome by AD 336…In Jerusalem, opposition to Christmas lasted longer, but it was subsequently accepted. In the Armenian Church, a Christmas on December 25 was never accepted… The reason why Christmas came to be celebrated…Christians wished the date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the “birthday of the unconquered sun” (natalis solis invicti); In the Roman world the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of merrymaking and exchange of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the birth date of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances were added the German and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes penetrated into Gaul, Britain and central Europe. Food and good fellowship, the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, gifts and greetings all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights, symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the winter festival, both pagan and Christian. Since the Middle Ages, evergreens, as symbols of survival, have been associated with Christmas. Christmas is traditionally regarded as the festival of the family and of children, under the name of whose patron, St. Nicholas, presents are exchanged in many countries.
Tree worship, common among the pagan Europeans, survived after their conversion to Christianity in the Scandinavian customs of decorating the house and barn with evergreens at the New Year to scare away the devil and of setting up a tree for the birds during Christmastime; it survived further in the custom, also observed in Germany, of placing a Yule tree at an entrance or inside the house in the midwinter holidays. The Germans set up a Paradise tree in their homes on December 24, the religious feast day of Adam and Eve. They hung wafers on it (symbolizing the host, the Christian sign of redemption); in a later tradition, the wafers were replaced by cookies of various shapes. Candles, too, were often added as the symbol of Christ. In the same room, during the Christmas season, was the Christmas pyramid, a triangular construction of wood, with shelves to hold Christmas figurines, decorated with evergreens, candles, and a star. By the 16th century, the Christmas pyramid and Paradise tree had merged, becoming the Christmas tree.”

Rick Warren, Christianity Today posted 12/19/2008: “The entire reason for Christmas is the love of God. God loves you so much that he came to earth as a human so you could get to know him and learn to trust him and love him back. Theologians call this the Incarnation. God became one of us, a human being, so we could understand what he is really like.”

R.H. Stein, Jesus the Messiah: A Survey of the Life of Christ: “The essence of the Christmas story is not that Mary conceived as a virgin. Nor is the Christmas story a sentimental ode to motherhood. The essence of Christmas is that God’s Son came into the world in human form and dwelt among us. It is the “fact” of the incarnation that is the key to Christmas, not the “how” by which this was brought about…For orthodox Christianity that is self-evident. The Son of God did not come into existence through virginal conception. The Son of God was, is and always will be…”

Karl Rahner: “The representation of a god’s becoming man is mythological, when the ‘human’ element is merely the clothing, the livery, of which the god makes us in order to draw attention to his presence here with us, while it is not the case that the human element acquires its supreme initiative and control over its own actions by the very fact of being assumed by God…The persistence of this idea [ought to make us realize that it] probably still lives on in the picture which countless Christians have of the ‘Incarnation’, whether they believe it or not.”


Sunday, November 16, 2014

Bible Study 11.16.14: Hopeless Christianity


Or “No Salvation without Resurrection”!


Preliminaries:

·       The most common description of death is “sleep”: koimao “asleep”[1]. This is described as a deep sleep from which people will one day be awakened (cp. Dan. 12:2).

·       CONSIDER this: ALL the OT kings registered are said to have “died/been laid to rest with their fathers[2]]”, that is, fell asleep [Acts 13.36; cp. Stephen, Acts 7.60].

·       Reformed Judaism, like Christian Orthodoxy, adopted the immortal soul doctrine:

“We reassert the doctrine of Judaism that the soul is immortal, grounding the belief on the divine nature of human spirit, which forever finds bliss in righteousness and misery in wickedness. We reject as ideas not rooted in Judaism, the beliefs both in bodily resurrection and in Gehenna and Eden (Hell and Paradise) as abodes for everlasting punishment and reward.” 1885 Pittsburgh Conference
 
“That classical Judaism firmly believed in the resurrection of the dead—indeed, insisted upon it as a defining tenet of the communitytoday comes as a shock to most Jews and Christians alike…Abba Hillel Silver [Reformed rabbi and one of the most important figures in American Judaism, in his influential volume Where Judaism Differed], presents the resurrection of the dead as a late and degraded development in Jewish thought, a borrowing from foreign sources ‘to which the Jews added nothing original’…The Christians, vulnerable to a crude superstition about a god-man who came back from the dead, have perverted the Hebrew Bible by introducing something altogether foreign into it.” J.D. Levenson[3]

 

1.     2Cor 5.8; Phil 1.23: “Out of the body to be with the lord

·       No-body means you’re a nobody!

·       Body + breath of life = “living soul/person” (Gen. 2:7). At the resurrection we will have spiritual bodies (1Cor 15.44-55).

·       2Cor 5.8 death = “naked,”, a fearful, unthinkable and practically incomprehensible state.

“‘For though absent in body, I am present in spirit (pneuma)’ (Colossians 2:5). Was his immortal spirit in one place, and his body was in another while he was alive? If so, then the immortal spirit can leave the body when it wants to, and the body can live without the spirit, but James tells us that the body without the spirit is dead (James 2:26). Was Paul’s body dead for a time while his spirit was gone to be at Colossae? No, he was saying he was with them in his thoughts and heart, not that an immortal spirit had left his body, went to Colossae, and returned.” W.R. West[4] 

“Jesus said, ‘And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also’ (John 14:3). Many say, ‘Not so Lord, we will be with you in Heaven as soon as we die, Your second coming and the resurrection will not be needed for we will already be alive and already with You in Heaven.’ But Paul said, ‘For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory’ (Philippians 3:20-21). It is us (our bodies) who will be transformed, not something that is in us that is now just as immortal as it could ever be, something that will not need to be transformed, and it is this something that is already immortal that is now in a person that will not wait for the Lord Jesus to come again, but it will immediately go to Heaven to be with Him at death. Both those in Christ who are dead, and those who are living, will together go from the earth to meet the Lord in the air when He is coming from Heaven before we will ‘be with the Lord.’ ‘Then we that are alive, that are left, SHALL TOGETHER with them be caught up (from the earth) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air’ (1 Thessalonians 4:17-18). How could Paul have said any clearer that those who are now asleep are not now alive in Heaven, but that they will be raised from the dead and meet the Lord in the air as He is returning?”[5]
 
It is little less than a crime for anyone to pick out certain words and frame them into a sentence, not only disregarding the scope and context, but ignoring the other words in the verse, and quote the words ‘absent from the body, present with the Lord’ with the view of dispensing with the hope of the Resurrection (which is the subject of the whole passage) as though it were unnecessary; and as though ‘present with the Lord’ is obtainable without it.”

Summary: The teaching of some makes Paul be wrong when he said we are “longing to be clothed upon with our habitation which is from heaven” for their teaching says we had it at birth and will always have it even if we go to “Hell”.[6]

 

2.     Luke 16:19-31: The Rich Man and Lazarus:

·       To read this literally would be ridiculous. It doesn’t even work for the “no-body soul” doctrine.

·       Assumes that Judgment, the Last Day, has come and gone.

·       Jesus uses Jewish/Pharisaic “afterlife/parable” stories to make ethical points about the rich and the poor.

“[Miriam] said to him: ‘By the life of your head, Caesar, let the sword come upon my neck and upon his neck together.’ He said to her: ‘Heaven forbid! I shall not do such a thing, as it is written in your Torah: You shall not slaughter it with its young on the same day (Lev. 22:28).’ The child said to him: ‘Wicked one, have you perhaps fulfilled the whole Torah except this verse alone?’ Immediately they snatched him away from her in order to kill him.
His mother said to him: ‘My son, may your heart not faint, and may you not despair. You are going to your brothers, and you will be seated in the bosom of our father Abraham. And tell him in my name: You built one altar and did not sacrifice your son, but I built 7 altars and sacrifice my sons on them. And for that matter, yours was (merely) a trial, but mine was a fact.’” van Henten, Avemarie[7] 

“Naked came he into the world, and naked he leaves it; would that the departure were as innocent as the arrival! ...This day he sits in the bosom of Abraham, said Rabbi; i.e., he died.” P.I. Hershon[8]

“Those who make this parable into a literal story do not accept the main part of it as being literal. They do not accept Abraham’s bosom as being a literal place, but as a symbolic place; his literal bosom had turned to dust many years before, and there would not be room for even one person in Abraham’s literal bosom; therefore, if part of it cannot be literal none of it can be literal, if it is a true story then all of it must be literal. It is a symbolic picture or a true story? It cannot be a mixture of the two; it cannot be part literal and part a true story. Does anyone believe Lazarus was literally carried to Abraham’s literal bosom by angels?
Many want to make this a true story and not a parable to use it to prove Hell, but the only part they want to be a true story is the one word ‘torment’ even though it is clear that the ‘torment’ in this parable is not torment in Hell; the rich man was not being tormented in Hell and Lazarus was not in Heaven.” W.R. West[9]

“We want to know if this was a real experience, and if it teaches the condition of the dead. Let it be remembered, then, according to the philosophy that they are ‘spirits.’ Will you tell me how you reason that a ‘spirit’s tongue’ can be cooled with water? ‘Oh,’ you say, ‘that represents’—hold on, no representations can be in a real circumstance. If you say it is real, stay with it. This policy of making it half literal and half figurative, just because there is an end to gain, is a nature ‘fakir’ in theology. It, therefore, represents nothing if it is a real circumstance, as you affirm. How could Lazarus carry a drop of water on his ‘spiritual’ finger? You say, ‘Oh, that doesn’t mean literal water.’ Well sir, it does or you do not mean what you say, I care not who you are. But reason with me. How could a spiritual tongue be cooled with a drop of water? ‘Oh,’ you say, ‘That must not be pressed too literal,’ no, not too literal, but just a literal as in any real circumstance. If it was a literal fact, then the details, which make it up are literal fact also. And to deny that it to deny your position.” E.D. Slough[10]

 

3.     Luke 23.43: Today in paradise

·       Placement of the comma dictates the doctrine: “I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise.” (cp. Acts 20.26)

·       “Heaven is nowhere the destination of the dying” (J.A.T. Robinson). Comfort in the face of death is always related to the resurrection (cf. John 11:21–26).

·       “Paradise” is not heaven but the future, restored Eden/Kingdom: Rev 2.7; cp. Isa 51:3; Ezek 36:35.

·       Jesus promised to be in heaven with the thief on that very day. NOT SO: 3 days in the grave, on earth after resurrection.
 
“…we have been able to determine at least 3 truths regarding the words spoken here. First, we recognize that Jesus was speaking these words in order to encourage the thief [promising] on that day that when he established his kingdom the thief would be a part [of it]…Secondly, the promise Jesus gave the thief was not realized on that day based on our discovery that Jesus did not go to paradise on the day of his death. Instead, Jesus entered the place of the dead, the grave (Sheol or Hades)… [The thief] too went into the grave and is awaiting the resurrection [1Cor 15.22]…Finally, the promise Jesus gave the thief is a promise for you and me today.” Dr. Warren II[11]

 

4.     Rev. 6.9-11; cp. Rev 20.4-5: Murdered People Crying out

·       Figure of speech[12] known as personification: headless people/souls crying out: Cp. Abel’s blood crying out: Gen 4:8-10. Also the word translated “souls” [psychas] can also mean “life” [psychen]. NOTE: LXX Lev. 17.11, “life [psyche] of the body is in its blood”; cp. Gen 4.10. In other words, “Their life/person is crying out for blood/vengeance.” 

·       Rev 20 shows that these people “lived again,” meaning they were dead!

“The word psyche [soul] has no such fixed meaning as is put upon it by theology and tradition. [It] is often put for person. When we say that the population consists of so many souls, we do not mean ‘soul’ as distinct from body, but we mean so many persons …So there is no reason whatever for adhering to the traditional meaning rendering, ‘soul,’ in this passage as denoting a part of a man. The words simply mean ‘I saw those who had been slain [killed].’ John also hears what they say. Speaking requires the organs of speech…These were the martyred saints personified and represented as waiting. They themselves were dead; for in Rev. 20.4, John sees them again, and it says ‘they lived again’ in the first resurrection.  ‘The rest of the dead lived not again until 1000 years ended’ (Rev 20.5). Why say ‘lived not again’ if, all the time, they were alive in some other place?” Bullinger[13]



TEST ALL THINGS!
 

“The assumption that John dispenses with the future resurrection would mean that he has significantly altered the view of ‘resurrection’ found elsewhere in the documents of the NT or in the Judaism of the period…The dead are raised, not ‘spiritually’ or metaphorically, but bodily. It is of course possible that John has done just that: radically reinterpreted the meaning of “the resurrection”, but the data of the Gospel do not bear out the assumption that John has collapsed the future resurrection into a present quality of life...Language of being raised up remains resolutely attached to the future, to the ‘last day’. Resurrection overcomes death…It is that life, construed as fellowship and union with God, that is present for those who believe…The implication is clearly that the “life” one has in the present is as much promise as possession. The full possession of life awaits the promise of the resurrection… [Bringing to] fruition what the Father offers through the Son, the gift of life [in the age to come].” M.M. Thompson[14]

 

Reference/Recommended Readings:

·       E.W. Bullinger, Commentary on Revelation; Figures of Speech Used in the Bible; The Companion Bible.

·       T.S. Warren II, Dead Men Talking.

·       W.R. West, Resurrection or Immortality, online: http://www.robertwr.com/resurrection.pdf

·       M.M. Thomson, The God of the Gospel of John.

·       J.D. Levenson, Resurrection and the Restoration of Israel.



[1] Mat 9.24; 27.52; Mar 5.39; Lu 8.52; Jn 11.11-13; Acts 7.60; 13.36; 1Cor 11.30; 15.6, 18, 20; 1Thess 4.13-15; 5.6, 10; 2Pe 3.4.
[2] 1 K 11.21; 14.20; 15.8; 16.6; 22.40; 2K 8.24; 10.35; 13.9; 14.16; 13.7; 16.20; 20.21; 21.18; 24.6; cp. 2Chro 9.31; 12.16; 14.1; 16.13.
[3] Resurrection and the Restoration of Israel, pp 1-3.
[4] Resurrection or Immortality, pp 101-102.
[5] Ibid., 186-187.
[6] The Companion Bible, Bullinger.
[7] Martyrdom and Noble Death, ‘The Story of Miriam and her Seven Martyred Sons’, Lamentations Rabbah, pp 146-150.
[8] The Pentateuch according to the Talmud. Genesis.
[9] Resurrection or Immortality, pp 716.
[10] Eternal Torment or the Second Death, the indictment of eternal torment. The self-negation of a monstrous doctrine, tried, judged and condemned out of its own mouth by the arguments and admissions of its staunchest advocated, 1914.
[11] Dead Men Talking, pp 42-46.
[12] “A figure by which things are represented or spoken of as persons; or, by which we attribute intelligence, by words or actions, to inanimate objects or abstract ideas.” Bullinger, Figures of Speech In The Bible, p. 861.
[13] Commentary on Revelation: Or, the Apocalypse, pp 263-265.
[14] The God of the Gospel of John, p. 82-83, 2001.

Saturday, March 29, 2014

BIBLE STUDY for 3.30.14

Notes for Matthew 24

OT background: Dan 9-12.

Numerology:
  • 70 weeks of years: Matt. 24 refers to the last week = 7 years [84 months].
  • “It shall be for a time, times, and a half” = 42 months = 3½ years.
“Israel’s calendar was based on the moon, not on the sun, as ours is. 360 days in a year. Adding 360, 360, and 360 we get 1,080 days. Half of 360 is 180. Add 180 to 1,080 and the answer is 1,260 days, or 3½ years.” The End Times Time Line, Jim Mattison.


Word study:
  • age: Mat 12.32; 13.39; 24.3 [KJV: “world”]; Heb. 1.2 [aiōnas, NIV: “universe”; KJV: “worlds”].
“[In Jewish apocalyptic] the time or duration of the world…the great aion (supra), is made up of a series of smaller aiones…On this view [creation has no end] but rather in the sense of transition from one aeon to the other.” TDNT [Heb. 9.26; 1Cor 10.11; cf. Eph. 2.7; 3.9; Col 1.26; Jude 1.25; 1Tim 1.17; Rom. 16.25; Titus 1.2.]
“The Highest also has looked upon the proud ages, and, behold, they are ended, and his abominations [i.e., desolations, cf. Dan 9.2, 18, 26; Isa 61.4] are fulfilled.” 4 Esdras 11.44
“For the world is divided into twelve parts, and nine parts of it are gone already, and half of a tenth part.” 4 Esdras 14.11
NOTE: “…in the Bible the same word aion is used to indicate two things which are really profoundly antithetical, namely, the eternity of God [Rom. 16:26] and the duration of the world.” TDNT
  • abomination-desolation: “the sign” Mat 24.15; cp. Mar 13.14 uses the idiomatic masculine participle “standing” [hestekota] in contrast to the neuter “abomination” [bdelygma] that it modifies; cp. Dan 9.26-27 [cf. 8.11; 11.31; 12.11]. Also, “the son of perdition…man of lawlessness” [2Thess 2.3, 8]; “the best” [Rev. 11.7; 13.1-4].

Even though “Matthew used the more grammatically correct neuter participle (estos) in reference to the abomination [he adds] ‘in the holy place’...’the holy city’ of Jerusalem (4.5; 27.53)…agrees closely with the portrayal of the antichrist in 2 Thessalonians.” [Apocalyptic Eschatology in the Gospel of Matthew, David C. Sim, pp. 101-104.]
  • Fig tree: Mat 24.32 further sign of things to come.
  • Generation: Mat 24.34, “in the sense of ‘age’ or ‘period’ is found in Mat 1.17; Acts 13.36; 14:16; 15:21; Eph. 3.5; Col 1.26.” TDNT, genea.





OT references:
24.6: famines/earthquakes, Isa 5:13-14; 13:6-16; Hag 2:6-7; Zech. 14:4.
24.15: abomination/desolation, Dan 9.27.
24.16: Fleeing to the mountains, Gen 19:17; Judg. 6:2; Isa 15:5; Jer. 16:16; Zech. 14:5.
24.21: The Great Tribulation: Jer. 30.7; Dan. 12.1; cp. Day of the Lord.
24.29: cosmic signs, cp. Isa 13:9-13, 34:4 (LXX); Joel 2:10; Ezek. 32.7-8; Luke 21.25-26.
24.30: son of man on clouds, Dan. 7.
24.37: days of Noah, Gen 6:5-8:22.



NT references: Jesus the thief, Mat. 24.42-44; cf. 1 Thess. 5:2, 4; 2 Pet 3:10; Rev 3:3; 16:15.

Why this is not 70AD therefore, that was a type and not the fulfillment:
  • The scope and severity are much greater: i.e., natural disasters; cosmic events/signs.
  • Daniel 7/parousia event has not happened…yet: 2 Peter 3; 2 Thess.2.
  • Vertical [24.30; cp. Acts 1.11] not horizontal coming of the son of man [24.4-5].
  • Immediately after the tribulation…and then the son of man appears” [24.29; cp. 24.14].
  • Inconsistent to break up the narrative: literal [natural disasters] vs figurative [cosmic signs].
  • No resurrection-rapture [24.31; cf. Jer. 30.7; 1Thess 4:16-17; John 5:28-29].  
  • Not clear whether Jesus even knew [cf. John 2.13-22] since he deals with the future only, as do the Apostles [v.3].
  • Believers must go through tribulation[s]: 24.22-24, 31; Dan. 7.25; cp. Acts 14.22; John 15.20.
  • Not only does the evil prince come to his end ([Dan 9.26-27] Titus did not), but war will be a feature of the last — 70th— “week” of years. But no war occurred in ca. AD 27-34.
  • The Great Tribulation has not been ongoing since 70AD.
  • The original hearers/readers [before 70AD] would have understood that this represented anything but “the end of the age”.
“[Mat 24.21] Suffering unlike anything that has happened. While the events of a.d. 70 may reflect somewhat the comments Jesus makes here, the reference to the scope and severity of this judgment strongly suggest that much more is in view. Most likely Jesus is referring to the great end-time judgment on Jerusalem in the great tribulation.” NET Bible

"The phrase its desolation is a reference to the fall of the city, which is the only antecedent present in Luke’s account. The parallels to this in Matt 24:15 and Mark 13:14 refer to the temple’s desolation, though Matthew’s allusion is clearer. They focus on the parallel events of the end, not on the short term realization in a.d. 70." NET Bible, Luke 21.20.
“…Jesus weaves the mention of His coming into this whole section (cf. v. 14, where the end should probably be connected with His coming on the strength of v. 3; cf. also vv. 27, 30), and the extreme conditions of vv. 21-22 make it unlikely that AD 70 are in view.
“The possibility of this reference is not weakened by the objection, "that the prophecy Daniel 11 and Daniel 12:1-13 was generally regarded as fulfilled in the Maccabean times, and that the fulfilling of Daniel 9 was placed forward into the future in the time of Christ"…because the Lord can have a deeper and more correct apprehension of the prophecies of Daniel than the Jewish writers of His time; because, moreover, the first historical fulfilling of Daniel 11 in the Maccabean times does not exclude a further and a fuller accomplishment in the future, and the rage of Antiochus Epiphanes against the Jewish temple and the worship of God can be a type of the assault of Antichrist against the sanctuary and the church of God in the time of the end…On these grounds we must affirm that the reference of the words under consideration to the desecration of the temple before the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans is untenable.” Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary


What is “the sign of the son of man” [24.30]?
  • Jesus himself [Dan. 7.13-14].
  • Like his 1st coming [Mat 2.2, 9-10], a star/cosmic sign.